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hoypinoy1234 B5three

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Queens County, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: $914.17 for 2 CV joint replacements? WTF? |
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So my car is sitting at a stealership, waiting on my order to proceed. But something doesn't smell right. The dealer said the job would cost $914.17 and that the warranty company is only willing to pay $495 and I would be responsible for the balance. So I logged into my warranty company website and the claim was logged and approved. But the fishy thing is that the math doesn't add up.
The stealership is charging a $95/hour rate. According to the detail in the warranty website, I was approved for part # 3B0498099DX at a cost of $150 x 2 @ 2.5 hours of labor for a total of $545. This sounds reasonable to me. A little high, but reasonable. What I don't get is the $914.17 amount. At 9am, I asked the service advisor to fax me over the work order so I can see the detail before I approve. The service advisor studdered for a couple of seconds and sounded reluctant but agreed to fax it to me. He said it was all hand written.
As of 11am, I have not received the work order in my fax machine. Is my Bullsh!t meter malfunctioning or do you get the same feeling the dealership is trying to screw me and the warranty company? Any advice is appreaciated. _________________
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NH VW Junky Moderator

Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 7617
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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I smell that too - WTF is right.
You want that in writing - so you can take it up the ladder. Call the VW 800# when you get copies of both. FOR SURE sounds like they are pulling a fast one on you.
Keep us update on this. FREAKING VW SERVICE IN THE US IS TERRIBLE. _________________ I'd Rather be in Key West.
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Marshalus
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 50 Location: Lawrence, KS
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Today, I just got quoted $255 to change the spark plugs and fuel filter in my 1.8T. I couldn't f*cking believe it, that's almost as much as I was quoted to change my tip tranny fluid by an indy! I figured it'd cost me like $80 or something, which I was willing to shell out for since it would already be there for them to look at a possible oil leak/PCV issue. Screw that, I'll do it myself. _________________
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Queens County, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, I got a fax from them and here is what is on the invoice printed by the computer:
| Quote: | Part# = 4D0-498-099-X
Desc = WHEELSHAFT
Qty = 2
Price = $261.37
Core = $100
Total $722.74
Part# = VW4D0-498-099-X
Desc = CORE RETURN
Qty = -2
Price = $100
Core =
Total -$200 |
The written part is as follows:
| Quote: | Both outer CV joints (4.0) $392 + $522.74 = $914.74
Warranty pay (2.4) $245 + ($150 x 2) = $545 - $50 deductable = $495
Customer pay $147 + 222.74 = $369.74 + $50 deductable = $419.74 |
So it looks like I am buying two "wheelshafts" at $261.37 each. WTF is a wheelshaft and why isn't it called a "CV Joint"? At this point, I can either:
1) Fight with the warranty company to pay everything.
2) Suck it up and get the anal lube.
3) Eat the $98 "break down" charge and take it to an indy with parts bought on line. The only hassle would be to get a refund from the warranty company for the cost of the two CV kits. But I would only pay a $50 deductable for the labor.
I would LOVE to tackle this myself, but I don't have a driveway and I would need someone there to direct me and drink beers which I will provide. I think I'm in the wrong business. _________________
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4meezy B5four

Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 2656 Location: pittsburgh pa
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| hoypinoy1234 wrote: | kay, I got a fax from them and here is what is on the invoice printed by
1) Fight with the warranty company to pay everything.
2) Suck it up and get the anal lube.
3) Eat the $98 "break down" charge and take it to an indy with parts bought on line. The only hassle would be to get a refund from the warranty company for the cost of the two CV kits. But I would only pay a $50 deductable for the labor.
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4) Go the nearest Honda dealer, trade in your VW and live in worry-free-auto-appliance heaven.
with a VW dealer there is a 50/50 chance you are getting screwed or getting really screwed. I don't know which one will apply to you in this case. |
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4meezy B5four

Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 2656 Location: pittsburgh pa
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you should call the warranty company and speak to one of their reps.
Ask them if they approved the whole claim or just part of the costs.
That may put your mind at ease. |
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NH VW Junky Moderator

Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 7617
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff - they dont sell the CVs as entire assemblies.
If I read that right - they want to replace the end joints AND the entire shaft.
I'm not sure why they would replace that shaft - Unless its damaged or the splines are in bad shape or something.
YOU MUST RESEARCH THIS A BIT MORE - Don't bend over just yet. _________________ I'd Rather be in Key West.
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Queens County, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I called the warranty company and the discrepancy comes from two things. The first one is the cost of the part. VW brand wheelshafts (is that still a CV jont?) cost 261.37 each. The warranty company knows you can get other CV kits for $150 each. The second discrepancy is the amount of labor. The warranty company has 2.5 labor hours in their books for this type of job, but the dealership is charging 4.0 labor hours. The warranty company said that if the dealership can provide documentation on that 4.0 labor hours, then they will approve the cost of labor. _________________
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Queens County, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Another thing. If I were to buy the parts online and take it to an indy, I would only get reimbursed the cost of the parts and not the labor. _________________
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4meezy B5four

Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 2656 Location: pittsburgh pa
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps call around to another dealer for an estimate?
when I had my passat I had prices very from dealer to dealer as much as 175% |
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Queens County, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| 4meezy wrote: | Perhaps call around to another dealer for an estimate?
when I had my passat I had prices very from dealer to dealer as much as 175% |
I think all the VW dealerships are in cahoots because all their labor rates hover in the area of $95 and all of them charge about 4.0 labor hours. What is the typical labor hours for this type of job for both sides? I know it probably varies from state to state and that mechanics milk it for all it's worth. But how long would a competent mechanic typically take to do both sides? _________________
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AbEx B5three

Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 1323 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well if vw was doing the warranty they would only pay what it says in the book, the dealership would have to deal with it. That's why they don't like doing warranty work. The issue is that they are trying to charge your warranty company what they would like to get for the job, the same that they do to any out of warranty customer. The warranty company is right in fighting with the dealership about this, but at the same time you shouldn't have to get involved.
And they are replacing your axle assemblies, not just the cv joint. |
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NH VW Junky Moderator

Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 7617
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I bet like Bel could do both in 1 hour - somebody just good 2 hours. _________________ I'd Rather be in Key West.
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Queens County, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the replies guys! I just called an indy and they will do it for $520 TOTAL! The warranty will definitely cover that. I've taken my car there before and I'm stupid for not calling them before going to the dealership . I think I was still jet lagged when I brought it in. Oh well, $98 teardown charge from dealer + $50 deductable is still better than $419.74.
Here's a few for the crew. _________________
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Queens County, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| NH VW Junky wrote: | | I bet like Bel could do both in 1 hour - somebody just good 2 hours. |
Bel could definitely do it in an hour. I have no doubt about that. _________________
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4meezy B5four

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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| hoypinoy1234 wrote: | | I just called an indy and they will do it for $520 TOTAL! |
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NH VW Junky Moderator

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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| hoypinoy1234 wrote: | | I just called an indy and they will do it for $520 |
Just make sure they are getting good axles - You don't want autozone rebuilds or anything.
Good call. _________________ I'd Rather be in Key West.
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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To quote the German mechanic I talked to, "Zay are nue ahn zay are made eeeen Eeeetaly". _________________
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Mauro B5two
Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 954 Location: SE Massachusetts
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Go see QuattroHaus in the future they'll take care of you.
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Queens County, NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mauro wrote: | Go see QuattroHaus in the future they'll take care of you.
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I'd love to, but they're all the way in Jersey. The place I'm taking it to is called "Bruno's Quattro Center". The head mechanic, Bruno, is an ex-rally racer that used to race Porsches and UrQuattros. This guy knows his stuff and he's close to the subway, so I can get to work easily. _________________
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NH VW Junky Moderator

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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| hoypinoy1234 wrote: | | To quote the German mechanic I talked to, "Zay are nue ahn zay are made eeeen Eeeetaly". |
Priceless - Sounds like your in good hands! _________________ I'd Rather be in Key West.
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nm+

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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| My guess is the VW dealer thought they could pull a fast one on the warranty company. Then when it was rejected they ahd to sollow through to avoid charges of fraud. |
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T_Jollimore B5two
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 633 Location: Halifax, NS, Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| They're just shafting you on the hours they're charging. The point of spending extra on getting the entire axles (complete with CV joints) is so you can do the job quick. No tearing down the joint, rebuilding, relubing, etc... |
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4meezy B5four

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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| This is what happens when you pay the service advisor a % of the total sale like VW does. |
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hoypinoy1234 B5three

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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the input, guys! When I picked up the car last night, the service advisor "only" charged me $53 for the tear down charge instead of the $98. Gee how nice. All they had to do is look through the five-spokes to see the torn boot and stick their finger in there to feel that there is no more lube. I bet they didn't even take the wheels off. _________________
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